I am very sorry but the alliance between Riva and -EF- is now officially over. Also, -EF- is declaring war on Riva.
Jenny and other co-leaders wanted some excitement so watch out in KF :wink:

I"ll start adding all of EF to adarah's blacklist.

I have spoken with Nidan today. He claimed the main reason was the co cave thing (which of course was settled quite some time ago). But then admitted that the reason was that EF was bored. Had too many allies, etc.

Actually, judging from the posts members made when voting about this, the main reason is blacklisting us, Co cave came second and some personal grudges, nobody mentioned anything about being bored, Nidan was probably being sarcastic, we have enough going on right now

Actually, only two members of EF were blacklist...1 voted against, 3 voted neutral, and 5 for a war. So obviously it was more on personal stuff.

I have contacted =hc=, co, segv, and put message into eg, and the 3 have said they will remain neutral in this war. I am waiting for two more leaders to be on line to find out their stance.

I think i should post something like official War Declaration, but i don't want to waste your forum with another thread, so ill put it here.

This is a WAR DECLARATION.

Let's make things clear: You have absolutely right, it is 'more on personal stuff'

The 'war' poll was set after some members said they want it.
Members: 1 vote for ally, 3 neutral, 6 for war
High Council: 1 neutral, 2 for war, 1 absent

Some posted things:




Also:
- BC left EF and joined Riva w/out a word of explanation, he is some kind of traitor then,
- apologizing on forum for PM ? no way
- some Riva's members we hate.. well, personal 'businesses'

Good to see someone else from EF post, wrong...but they posted none the less. First off...curt old maybe 2 people in riva where the cave was. Big whoop. That was settled with trop and all of CO long time ago. GET OVER IT ALREADY THEY HAVE! Again...very few Rivans know of/know location of/or have spoken of the location of the CO cave to anyone...again if you'd actually talk to CO members you'd know this is the case. You don't like curt...fine...talk to the leaders of Riva, let us handle him in the proper way. I have yet to hear one EF member say anything negative about a Rivan other than recently.

BC was intended to join Riva when he first joined Silk. What he told me (and I assume you guys) was that he joined EF to help out a bit, but would be joining riva shortly.

I really hate repeating myself...but here goes....Shasso was placed on the blacklist (after talking with guild channel) for threats and berating Riva via pm. (again over the co cave thing which was none of EF's business since I was talking to trop about it at the time.) Brian was placed on blacklist for repeated pking of Rivans (of course I find out later we supposedly had an alliance....). I spoke with Shasso at length and told him/her that all that was needed was a simple apology and all would be forgiven and fixed with adarah. Judging by his and the entire EF guild, that is just too much for a 13 year old to do. I do not wish to take this public...but I will

Alright guys, lets clear this up...

A) I asked BlackComplex to join Riva because we lost Prince_Fiel (He left the game ) and we needed a guild warrior for a SHORT amount of time. BC has a strong alliance with your guild and I know he is friends with alot of you. He even helped Jakie when he was attacked even though we told BC no PKing. He has since left Riva due to this rule. He is not a 'traitor' of any sort. If anything, he is your friend. There is your reason, take it or leave it.

Our guild really doesn't need 'excitement' in the way you are implying it. We are a non-PK guild, so whats the point in starting a war with us? Not like we are going to go on KF and have you slaughter us. I mean, come on guys...we arn't THAT stupid (well, most of us )

C) Also, I would like to point out that I LIKE -EF-. Ya'll have some really great people in your guild, ones who have helped me personally out. War is never a solution.

I don't get ya'll... :roll:

P.S. My vote is neutral.

Well, i'm only a messenger, and i'm repeating things i heard.

Well, Olivia, thanks for answer, since i don't know both QueenJenny and you, i'd rather talk to you than Her (maybe because we meet in KF couple times) and what you said (posted) was kinda... can't find the right word, hm, logic ?


BTW. Rivan Warriors name mean it some kind of warriors or am I wrong ?

The only way you and i have EVER met...was me sitting there with friends....I have NEVER pked a single person in any game I have played. And I've played quite a few. I've always been polite to everyone (except those that make me mad) I've said hi to you several times...not much more. So you should rephrase that.

Gen, or anyone for that matter, may PM me at anytime I'll be happy to talk you. And thank you for your compliment. :oops:

Wrong, we are allied to *CO* and Tropicano asked me to protect the cave and kill all Riva going there because they found the location and were speading it. Some other CO members were also asking me to kill various intruders at the same time

So why couldnt you get over me calling you noob when trop asked for help? This was like a month ago, you added me to the list like 3 days ago

Again wrong...Trop and I had that settled the same day. Perhaps he failed to relay that to you. I've talked to several co members today, and all of them have not heard Riva mentioned in connection with their cave in a long time. Of course if you read EL forums you would also that it wasn't Riva, as there is a post there as well.

lol wtf.. just ask trop.. and adyna i think also
i will post the log in sunday when i get back to my computer

Okay guys, heres the plan.

Shasso, the real issue is Adarah. We WILL take EVERYONE off the list if we get a simple apology. This proves your maturity and that you can conduct yourself well. It doesn't make you any less of a man to say your sorry. You'll learn this more as you grow up.

We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. It's not what we aim to do. I'm sure there is a better way to work this out. And please, I really like to sit on KF and I'd like to go back there.

Prove to us that you are as good as we think you are. Just say sorry.

I didn't see the middle post...the reason you weren't added right away...cause Cpp just got the blacklist abillity up and running. As soon as it was available everybody that deserved it was added. Up till a ffew days ago we could not have adarah not trade with certain people...now we can

for those who want to know my conversation with trop:
[PM to Tropicano: you have my word..>i will tell no one of it's location]
[PM from Tropicano: curt seems to know ^^]
[PM to Tropicano: actually a lot of people do]
[PM from Tropicano: so ive noticed ^^]
[PM to Tropicano: they brag about it all the time]
[PM from Tropicano: how did that noob find out about the location? someone just walked in there]
[PM from Tropicano: and how did curt find out? :/]
[PM to Tropicano: which one?]
[PM to Tropicano: dunno about curt]
[PM from Tropicano: :/]
[PM from Tropicano: yeah well :| im still very comfused about who is spreading the word]
[PM to Tropicano: i'll see what i find out...shyfx says someone told him..but didn't say who]
[PM to Tropicano: wow lot of people going into your cave...]

[PM to Tropicano: time to chat?]
[PM to Tropicano: i asked scarr and he said curt did not tell him where the cave was, his brother did]
[PM from Tropicano: whom probably got the location by curt..]
[PM from Tropicano: easy math: vurt found out - 10 mins later it was public knowledge ^^]
[PM to Tropicano: actually no...did you read the post I made?]
[PM from Tropicano: where?]
[PM to Tropicano: http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11854]
[PM to Tropicano: to help solve this I took initiative andposted this]
[PM from Tropicano: cant see the post ^^]
[PM to Tropicano: it's in offtopic, el forums, named "just curious"]
[PM from Tropicano: now i found it :]
[PM to Tropicano: good]
[PM to Tropicano: one more thing...I have made it mandatory that all rivans post there...most don't know where the cave is still...]
[PM from Tropicano: Earl admited that he told his guild about it... and i know Sirdan did the same..]
[PM to Tropicano: but we have not...i've asked and so far 5 of us even know of the location that's 5 out of 80]
[PM from Tropicano: doesnt really matter who told who.. the ting is that someone (most probably a moderator) leaked the location in the first place]
[PM to Tropicano: yes someone did, and coco has made it a rule that no one is too look for, ask about or go into that cave period, or be removed from riva]

[PM to Tropicano: I just wanted you to see/know riva is not the one doing it]
[PM from Tropicano: just thought the way curt just sat there.. and enterd a few times, and all by sudden more rivas came, seemd abit suspicious.]
[PM to Tropicano: agreed it did, but I would not lie about this...I have asked every rivan that has been online, and made that post to see what was happening]

[PM to Tropicano: one of the people who found out said they wanted to get on the boat lol]
[PM from Tropicano: there really is no way to get to the bottom of this .. we will just have to change the location of the entrance every time it gets discoverd]
[PM to Tropicano: that is probably best ]
[PM from Tropicano: yeah ^^]
[PM to Tropicano: i had several people pming me saying you were declaring war on riva...calling rivan noobs, and I thought perhaps we can get this fixed before it esc]

[PM from Tropicano: well my left greave got a bit dirty earlier today..]
[PM to Tropicano: lol]
[PM from Tropicano: ]

It was more like this:
I log on, Trop and Adyna ask me to clean up the cave and tell me that Riva found out about the cave and is spreading info about it. I later ask Jenny about it and call Riva noobs for spreading the cave location. She gets upset by the word 'noob' and puts me on the Adarah blacklist SOME WEEKS LATER when everything about the cave was already forgotten. I ask her why i am suddenly on the list, she tells me and i also find out that Brian is blacklisted too. I talk to the leaders, they agree to put up a poll about the status with riva and make it official. 60% voted for war, 30% to break the aliance, 10% to ally, everyone has his reasons, half of those who voted for war did that because of blacklisting, others because of the cave and some member. Simple as that.
Blacklisting shows that you are not fond of -EF-. Nobody ever made a complaint about Brian killing Riva. Nobody ever talked to me about 'offending' you. It is not like i called you biatch or something like that and i do not see a reason to apologize, especially not after this. And btw, 'Noob' is no worse than you asking me if i am 12.
You think you have power with that stupid blacklist so you just put us on. You all voted for us two to be blacklisted so obviously you did not want friendly relations with -EF-, so deal with it.

Ony thing is funny : you playing/thinking that Adarah is a powerfull weapon, you can blackamail us with her... all those threats about blacklisting are gunny too. Something like : i have an nuclear bomb and im not affraid to use it so better do what we want, rofl.

Truth is that only SOME members SOMETIMES were buying off Adarah ANYTHING. For example i never bought anything off her, because of extremly high prices - at least for people who doing large scale production, thats why we are allied with PL, they are great source of much cheaper 'wares'.

So stop all that talking about blacklisting, Adarah etc. because its a really minor thing and be honestly, noone care about Adarah.

http://ef.mhome.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2564#2564

Well, since there are only 3 diplomatic states in interguild relationship in EF atm (war, nothing, ally) we can just stop war, but i think many EFs will kill Rivas anyway... i suggested to 'remake' the old 4th state (non aggresion pact) to reconsider by our HC. There is also question, if Rivan are interested in that state or not and if you can find some nice/trustworthy persons in charge to make discussion/negotiation about it ? if not... well, there won't be need to answer yhis post :-)

Wisedwarf, Coco or myself are the ones you can talk to regarding this. We are the ones who can speak for the guild. I suggest talking with Coco first, and seeing if he wishes to handle this himself.

Gen_Axis you seem to have a level head over this whole issue .
I just don't see the differance between war/neutral/allie if your members are going to pk Riva's anyways . And you know Riva members are not going to attack your members .
Just make it a policy in your guild not to pk our members and I'm sure we can solve this whole issue . Or at least have a poll on the subject in your forum for all EF to vote on this .

This is the view I take in EL . Our guild supports EL's growth 100% and the hard work the EL team puts in it . Some ppl like to pk and some don't , the ones that don't pk work hard for their items (possesions) and wind up quiting the game when over powering ppl attack them and take their stuff . Thats why we have a no pk policy . Now when it comes to pk contests their welcome to join in and have fun but lately there are very few of them cuz so many ppl are tring to control pk maps .
Thats just my views
Coco